If you're interested in learning how to heal your inner child so you can stop allowing the negative experiences of your past to affect your future, join us for this conversation.
You will walk away with an understanding of how you can abandon your belief about lack, in favor of the abundance that belongs to every one of us!
As the founder of Mastering Your Beliefs, Nancy’s clients usually refer to her as their “Sensei” a title from her days as a student, competitor and teacher in the Martial Arts. Martial Arts taught Nancy that her strongest weapon is not her physical strength, it’s her inner strength.
During her journey to do whatever it was going to take to free her mind from the negative experiences of her childhood, she lost everything. Once she learned to let go of the past, she became unstoppable.
Nancy has experienced the joys of marriage, motherhood, being a homeowner, becoming a grandmother, a great grandmother, and the fulfillment of being an entrepreneur. She’s also known the gut-wrenching experiences of miscarriage, divorce, physical pain, trauma, childhood abuse that escalated to sexual abuse by the age of 12, and limiting beliefs.
One of Nancy’s most powerful aha moments was the understanding that whatever she focuses on, will determine what she believes and how she feels about herself. Nothing lasts forever, but we can choose the feelings we hold on to.
Nancy says, “In all my years of doing this work, I’ve learned that everything starts with a belief. Rarely do most of us take the time to know what we believe because most of us were never taught to question our beliefs, let alone master them!” When people are ready to let go of their negative mind chatter, Nancy teaches them how they can Master Their Beliefs to recognize and eliminate the negative, limiting, and fear-based beliefs created by their child-self.
This is how Nancy teaches people to stop creating their future from their past while healing the child within. When you Master Your Beliefs... you become the master of your life! If you’re looking for answers about why you keep attracting unwanted people and experiences into your life, you will learn why after you’ve listened to this conversation.
Nancy Mueller teaches people how to heal their inner child so they can stop allowing the negative experiences of the past to affect the future.
Doing this enables you to abandon your belief about lack, in favor of the abundance that belongs to every one of us!
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Well, I love to be transparent and let people know that, you know, the reason I started martial arts that might be obvious to some. Because I really, you know, when you're raised with violence, you believe that violence is the answer. So for me, it was a way to want to defend myself because I thought if I could defend myself, then the predators that I had known, including my father would, you know, have no chance because I would be able to take care of myself. In fact, I used to actually fantasize about that when I was a little girl, because I'm the Bruce Lee era. So you know, whenever I would see him on anything, I think, man, if I could do that, there's no way you know that that guy would ever do anything to me again. But here's the thing when you sit in that minutia of negative experiences, and the feelings of what it feels like to be in that negative experience over and over and over again, then what you're doing is you're continually recreating that. And it just keeps cycling within your, within your energy space. And, you know, that's not something I knew, because I thought when the day came when I could finally talk about what had happened in in my childhood home and what was going on, that that was the power and I believe that that's the door opening to the power. But um, you know, I call that my story. You know, that's my story. And and I would share my story. And then I think what happens with a lot of people I don't think I know what happens with a lot of people is we finally speak up and we speak out and we share about this horrible horrific thing that happened. And then we're sitting in that horrible horrific feeling. That becomes our story. So every time we share our story, it's like we're sending out this sonar like I think of, I'm old enough to remember the Aquaman cartoon, you know, when we were little. That sonar that command used to send out and have a fish and, you know, sea life would hear him and know, he was calling out. And so when I think about that visualization, visualization of that sonar that I would be sending out of Look at me, you know, poor me self pity. This is what happened to me. And, you know, one of my awesome, awesome mentors is jack Canfield. And I'll never forget one time when I was at one of his seminars, and he said, you know, it's gotten so everyone has a story about, you know, a horrible event. And he goes, basically, so what? And I remember thinking, jack, you disappoint me, how dare you, you know, how could you take this away from me? How could you? How could you say that, you know, you don't know my story. But then other coaches and teachers that I worked with, and other senseis, you know, would encourage me to let this go. But when we have a horrific trauma, we hold on to it like a badge of honor. But we but we don't realize it, if someone were to say to you, well, you're holding on to that like a badge of honor, we would be the first one to say that's not true. That was a horrible thing. Why Why would I be proud of that? Or why would I want to hold on to that, but it's the energy that we're holding on to it's the feelings. And if, you know, to understand what that energy is doing, you have to think about, like that sonar from Aqua man just, you know, hitting you over and over and over again. And we don't realize that that actually is what makes us walk, talk, think act, everything that we do is is being run by that negative feeling and emotion. So when, when my teachers were encouraging me to release, and let go of that feeling. It was difficult for me, in fact, it actually made me angry. And martial arts helped me with that, because it gave me a place to work out the anger, not not that I fought in anger, meaning, you know, inspiring and all of that. But, um, I think for me, what it was is, I was actually starting to see me, you know, rather than this person that something had been done to. So it took me a while to understand that nothing is done to you. We experience things, either positive or negative. And how we hold on to it, is how we're going to see every day, how we're going to feel every day, and how we feel is based on what we believe. And I like to tell people that if you can't believe it, you can't feel it. And if you can't feel it, you can't manifest it. So, you know, everything is about your feelings. And when we talk about vibration, people throw around the word vibration, a lot. people throw around the word energy a lot. They throw around law of attraction, a lot. But, but I think very few people really stopped to think about what all of that means. And the law of attraction is a universal law. Gravity is universal law, you don't wake up one day and say, I'm not gonna do gravity today. I'm just gonna know. And it's the same with law of attraction, what you think about you bring about because what you're thinking you're also feeling so if you're thinking that you're not a good person, or that you don't have a lot of self worth, or you have low levels of self, self confidence, self worth, self image, self love, self respect, if you're very low on those levels of self, that is the feeling and the energy that you're going to emit and put out every day. And that's what you're going to draw back to you. So when we start saying, you know, I don't know why this is happening to me. Once you really grasp this, and you understand that we are the creators of our life, of your life, our very experiences we really There really is no one, no person to turn to a point to finger and say, You did this to me. Because in some aspect, we have attracted every negative experience, whether it because of our soul contract, or because of a soul contract yet unlearned, and that just keeps revolving and cycling, until we understand the true meaning of the law of attraction, and how our thoughts and our feelings are attracting our experiences. And this is why I like to say, you know, when you get this, when you really get this, you can stop creating your future from your past, because your past that holds those negative feelings and emotions and thoughts and experiences. If you're continuing to recycle those over and over every single day, that's what you're going to build your going forward on. Right,KAT:
I couldn't agree with you more, but it took me a long time to get to that point. And I think, you know, I talked to a lot of people, and they, the feeling that I get from them is that they think whatever's going on there in their head, is that they should believe, and that it's always going to be that way, and they don't have the power to change. Like one of my brothers is like, well, I am what I am kind of like Popeye, you know, going back to those cartoon references from growing up, but he, you know, I try to talk with him. And it's too close. Because, you know, we're related that, you know, you can shift your belief and he still doesn't buy into that. But I love what you're saying because it is all about energy. I mean, that is the the work that I that I work in in that in that world. And when you're saying what we think is what we kind of becoming what we feel, and that is our energy. And I was talking to someone the other day, and I wanted to ask you, they asked about forgiving and forgetting this whole part about getting caught in our story and that that feedback loop about our story. I also had a coach that told me years ago that I was too much in my story, and that I just had to let it go. But for where is that piece for you like for people who have never really spoken their story or expressed it because I love what you said about the martial arts. It sounds like it gave you a place a healthy place to express it and get it out of your system without ruminating in the story, if that makes sense.Nancy:
It does. And I'll tell you I think most people go into martial arts thinking that their sensei is going to be Mr. Miyagi. You know, everybody thinks everybody thinks you know senseis teachers martial artists are wonderful loving people and they're going to take you under their wing and in you know, help you blossom. But remember, they're also the Cobra Kai senseis. So everybody everybody knows that now the Cobra Kai and the Miyagi dough, there is a series on Netflix to kind of bring it more into current and the Cobra Kai. Everything is from the negative hurt main kill, no mercy, that kind of thing. So it's important to remember that there are Mr. Miyagi and there are the Cobra Kai's. So, my first karate sensei was very much a top from a negative place and in other words, learns a little bit about you and then uses it to push you and in a negative way to use it against you. Okay, but at the same time, I was very fortunate that every one of my fellow martial artists understood what I was there for. They got it, they were there for me, they walk side by side for me. And as long as I needed that negative Sensei, meaning the one who was going to continue to feed on my story about my traumatic childhood, then I would continue to have him in my life. So when the day came when I decided, Okay, I'm done with you now, and I'm going to study with a different Sensei, you see, that was also a releasing for me. So it's like, every time we think, Oh my gosh, I've gotten myself into another horrible situation, or I've gotten myself into another. Why do I keep attracting these rotten people or these negative people or these, you know, people who just aren't good through me? Well, you attract that person because you need that, and you need that to be more awake. In other words, it's like, when I say awake, it's it's like, you know, like, if somebody were to say, Hey, wake up and smell the coffee, you know, you've been walking run in a daydream all this time, you know, it's time for you to really see what you're putting into action day after day after day. So when the pain gets to the point where years where you say to yourself, you know what I might be afraid of moving forward, but the pain that I'm in right now is not worth staying. And so the fear of moving forward, I'm going, I'm going to just let that go, I'm going to move into the unknown. And I'm going to see what's possible, see what's out there and see what's waiting for me. And if your story is mired in something that is very negative, or very traumatic, it's difficult to see that there could be a rainbow at the other end of the tunnel a light at the other end of the tunnel, there could be good in you that there could be something worth saving in you that there could be something worth having in you. Sometimes it's so difficult for us to see that in ourselves. Because we're so used to seeing ourselves in a negative way, or feeling ourselves in a negative way, or feeling our life experiences in a negative way. So it takes us individually to say, Okay, I'm afraid of stepping out of this. And we are afraid, even though what we're going through is uncomfortable, it doesn't feel good. It's it sucks. Sometimes it just feels like it's the worst thing ever. But it's what we know. And so to step out of what you know, is more fearful than dealing with what you know. And I call it the known zone. So if you know you Google it, there's not a word, it's a Nancy word unknown. It's so it's that part of your mind that says, I know that if I stay right here that I can control my situation, I can make this decision and that decision and get through my day, the best way possible for me. So stepping out of that known zones, saying okay, but if, what if what if there could be a possibility that, you know, you could actually start making decisions from love or see yourself from love or have a love day, meaning everything comes from love, you smile at people, they smile at you, and you start realizing that you are all that and a box of chocolates, like sometimes that's so difficult for someone to understand that that could be true, but it is true. And when we when we start moving towards that point, it's not saying like, you have to wake up today and stop believing what you believed yesterday and start believing something new today. Because that can be really, really fearful as well. So for me, martial arts was about stepping through the fear, kind of like, I'm so afraid to do this, I'm so afraid to do that. And you have to understand that for me to go into the martial arts, I am the most annoying sports person you'll ever know. Like, I never remember how many Indians are in a football game. And you know, I just I sports is not my thing. So when I told my husband and my daughters that I was going to go into martial arts, they were like, right, yeah. And I remember, the first day I showed up at the dojo, you know, here I am, like my hair's all done up makeup on jewelry on and all that good stuff in it's like, um, yeah, but that's not how we study in here. You have to get ready to sweat. And now listen, I walked into the dojo, and I looked at the instructor and I said, If I stay steady here, if I take your classes, are you going to throw me to the ground? You see, because I was so afraid of being hurt, physically hurt again. So you don't stop to think about you want to stop people from physically hurting you. But you don't, I didn't stop to think about that might mean that I might have to use that physical force, or be in that physical force in order to stop that. And I said, if I sign up for you, you're gonna throw me to the ground. And he kind of looked at me and he goes, do you want me to? And I said, No. And he goes, hold on, I want and I said, Okay,KAT:
then when I got started, and I realized that it's about, oh, okay, I have to learn this technique, but then someone's going to do that technique on me, so that I understand how to give and how to take. So you see, it's a constant giving and taking, giving and taking. And for me, that's where I really started blessing me, because it started. It was a basis of trust for me. It was to be able to give and receive at the same time,KAT:
that's powerful that that trust piece, I feel like comes up or the lack of trust for so many of us that have grown up in like violent households. Like that's the missing link. Like how do we trust again, when you were speaking? I wanted to ask you like, I think it's so powerful and amazing that you got to the dojo and that you've done what you've done. But what was the catalyst that even brought you to the dojo like that began your shift out of violence into love in that way of being? Was there something that really triggeredNancy:
that for you? I can only answer this question. In hindsight, I, I absolutely want to be very honest and transparent. And and let you know that I'm not answering this question. From that time frame. I'm not saying I went into martial arts because of, but in hindsight, I can answer the question. It's because I was tired of attracting the predators. Hmm. And I didn't. I didn't understand like, Why do these guys keep coming into my life? What the heck, man. And so I would say that my higher self, which is so knowledgeable and so loving, and so wonderful, and take such good care of me, knew that I had an interest in martial arts. Because as I say, since the 60s, I've been very interested in it. So it was a way for me to step into a different way of viewing my vulnerability or not feeling so vulnerable. So I think if my interest maybe had been in something different, my higher self would have, you know, encouraged me on a different path. But martial arts happened to be what it was for me.KAT:
Okay. No, I love that because it sounds like or you felt that inner calling, or that nudge? And you followed it? Yes. And so that nudge could be different for each of us. But if we're getting that nudge of this, this is something I'm attracted to, this is something maybe I feel like could help me or support me, whatever that is. Do you encourage people to follow those nudges, even if it's not like martial arts, per se?Nancy:
I do. Because we all go into, we choose everything we choose. We think we know what why we're choosing it. So but nothing is what we think it is. So, you know, for me, it's like, oh, I'm going to study martial arts so that I can be less afraid. No, you know, again, in hindsight, I was led to martial art, so that I could understand that being afraid is unnecessary. So whatever the path is, you know, it doesn't matter if you're being called into cooking class flower, take, you know, planting flowers, whatever it is, whatever the calling is, that's your soul, calling you and saying there is a much more peaceful way. And I, I describe it just when I'm thinking about it in meditation, it's the way and the way. It's not a definition, the way is the most peaceful way of being, whatever that is, for who whoever is seeking their way.KAT:
I love that. And I feel like so many of us are seeking the way or for me, I call it the path but what you said in your way that quote, being afraid is unnecessary. that's a that's a huge statement. That's probably a lot for some people to digest. Because so many of us I feel like today and what's going on the world really live in a state of fear and anxiety that's more heightened than it ever has been. And what what would you say to them to, like break that down? Or? Or where could they begin? to not be afraid and to trust if they've had issues with trust? Like, could you give us suggestion?Nancy:
Perhaps Sure. Well, every every thought, is either coming from love or fear. And the thing is, is that when you think about what 2020 has gifted us and it is a gift, it's continuing to be a gift, but what is the ultimate goal of every person? Of course, the answer is to know yourself, to know yourself as the Oneness that you are the part of the all that you are, and as long as your thoughts are fear based thoughts, you are stepping away from the oneness, the all that you are and we cannot feel part of the oneness. If we are blaming others for anything, so every time we point the finger and say I am this because you did this, we are still blaming, we're still in victim mode, vengeance mode, self pity mode, and that is a difficult statement to accept for anyone. Who feels that they are moving out of it? Or maybe are still in it? Because being victimized does feel like, Oh my gosh, I am a victim, I am a victim. And then one day when you say no, I'm not going to accept that title anymore. I'm not a victim. And I see a lot of people say, I went from victim to thriving, and it's you were never a victim, you may have been victimized, but you're never a victim. And that's really important, really important distinction. So when we bring it back to what 2020 has gifted us, what has it gifted us? It's, we have all the whole planet, we have all been in isolation. And what does that mean? We have been given time to go within to see ourselves, how am I handling this? Am I blaming the world? Am I blaming the virus? Am I blaming the person with the mask without the mask with the vaccine without the vaccine? If we're still blaming, if we're still looking at other people and pointing fingers and judging, we're living in fear, we're making choices from fear, we're thinking from fear. When you think about that, this 2020 experience it gave us all, like an even platform, an even playing field. We all are. We were all taken to that place. And now what are you? What are we going to do with it? You know, are we going to say Oh, and this is not to say like not to believe what's going on? I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying how we as individuals, me, how am I dealing with it? Am I am I living in fear? Am I am I thinking in fear? Or am I finally able to say you know what, there's got to be a better way. There's got to be a better way. And so what is that better way? And the way is start thinking thoughts that are love based, meaning positive? Because there's no right or wrong, there's no right way to do something. There's no wrong way to do something. There's no good or bad. There's just how you feel. And you either feel positive or you feel negative. And you're thinking about this this morning in my meditation. I'm sure everyone can relate. whenever you've pulled a boneheaded stunt, you know, something that you're like, Oh, my gosh, why did I do that? Why did what? I can't believe I did that again, especially if it's something we do over and over. Like we, what, whatever choice it is, and we're not so proud of ourselves for doing that. And then we think why did I do that? Again? If we could have a simple statement of Okay, that was yesterday, but today is today. So how am I loving myself today? Am I going to look back on that choice I made yesterday and keep beating myself up over it? Or am I going to start today in loving light. And then truly believe that I am love and light and make decisions from love and light loving myself. And knowing that I am the light, I am part of the all I am here to just love who I am. And when I love who I am, I'm able to compassionately collaborate with others. And so anyone who has chosen to victimize me, that's where the forgiveness part comes in. And you'd ask this question a little bit earlier, because especially those of us who have been raised with it any sort of strict religious dogma, you know, that forgiveness piece can be so difficult, because when I was little, I used to think, I don't understand this, you know, I'm supposed to forgive them. But Aren't they the ones that are supposed to be protecting me, and I need help from the people that I'm supposed to be, that are supposed to be protecting me, but they're not protecting me, they're hurting me. And I, I don't get this. And then that whole Honor thy father and thy mother passage, let's not forget that. And then that's drilled into our heads. And I used to think how can I honor my mother and my father when they're doing these things? But you know what? It wasn't until I was in my 30s. That someone said, Nancy, have you ever gone down to the next verse in the Bible, after Honor thy father and thy mother? And of course I had not because that's the way most religions work. So what is the verse? It says, but parents, you must be worthy of the love and the honor? Well, that's a great reminder that that verse is next. And I remember thinking, well, that would have been freakin helpful at age five, or seven or 10, you know, but so again, it all goes back to those beliefs that we created in childhood between the ages of eight to eight their birth to eight years of age, that's when we're creating our beliefs. That's how we Intuit life. That's how we feel into life. And whatever is happening, whatever we're experiencing, we're creating these feelings and these beliefs around what we're experiencing. But what most people forget is between birth and eight years of age is also when our Shockers are forming. So from birth to first, your one weaker, you know, we create the earth chakra or the root chakra. And then one year to two years is the sacred chakra and someone going up. So when you understand that, as you're holding on to this energy, and you're holding it into your, in your chakras, now is in your adult self is walking around, and you're saying, Oh, my gosh, you know, like, Why do I feel this stuff? Why do I keep doing the same thing over and over? Why do I keep attracting the same thing over and over? And then you have people are saying, Oh, you've got to clear this. And you've got to clear that. And you've got to know, all you need to do is feel through it.KAT:
Feel your way?Nancy:
Yeah, very few of us are taught that very few of us are taught to feel your feelings. And that's why healing your inner child is so powerful. Because when you start to realize that, oh, I can heal all those feelings and emotions that have been churning over and over inside of me, from the time I was a little girl or a little boy, if you're a guy listening to this, or doesn't matter, just when you were a child, however you identify with yourself. It's like, Oh, I can let go of that I can let go of that feeling of not being wanted abandonment of this trust, of guilt, of shame, of remorse of degradation, I can let go ofKAT:
all that. What I can. Oh, my gosh, it's fabulous. It is fabulous. And it's you know, for me, it's been layers of letting go. And there's still more to do. And I love what you said about feeling your way through it. Because we live in a culture where that is not really supported or honored. I mean, things are thrown at us and sold to us every day that help us numb out. And you know, it's easy to get stuck in any cycle of numbing out whether it's alcohol or drugs or shopping or too much screen. There's so many ways to not feel it that are so readily available. And they're they're almost like honored that it's easy to not feel our way through. So what what other tools I heard you mentioned the shocker. So when you were in, when you were doing the martial arts and working in that practice, where there are other tools that opened up to you to help you learn about feeling your way through it or feel it or allowing yourself the space to feel all the emotions because those emotions are scary, you know, or can be scary, right? And then and that's what stops A lot of us from feeling them is that they feel too overwhelming or too scary. But what you talked about the anger, the shame, the guilt, the apathy when we're stuck there. I mean, that's it's not really a fun place to be for us or anyone in our lives. So were there other things in addition to martial arts that help you awaken to this feeling?Nancy:
You know, for me, before I started martial arts, that's when I came into the work that jack Canfield was doing. And at that time, he was doing all of his work on self esteem. Okay, and a cassette tape that tells you how long ago it was, came into my awareness, I could not even tell you where I found it or whatever. Because at that time, I was not the kind of person who would have said, Oh, look at self help tape, I bet this will help me, you know, versus Oh, let me learn to fight. SoKAT:
I got thisNancy:
cassette tape, and I would listen to it over and over and over and over, literally how many years later, 40 years later, I could probably still quote so much from that cassette tape. That's how much I listened to it. And I would always hear every time I would think something negative of myself, I would hear Jack's words. And he would tell me that you know, like, I have this Golden Buddha inside of me. And I remember thinking like, but not me, maybe that works for other people, but not me. And then I would listen to it again. And I would well you know you have you can't do something once and expect it to take hold or to take root. And just like you know, if you want to change your health you don't go for a walk one day and then not walk again for six more months and think why isn't this walking thing helping? You know it mastering your beliefs. It's it's a way of life. Because if you're going to continue to make choices based On the childhood beliefs, then you're going to continue experiencing the same kind of feelings and emotions that you've been experiencing your whole life. So when you master your beliefs, when when you master something, you make it a way of life. It's something that you get up every day and you say, this is what I'm going to do. I'm just like brushing your teeth, this is what I'm going to do, this is what I'm going to do. And so for me, it was listening to that, and being able to see that there is a different way to look at my thoughts, and what I was thinking about myself every day. And all of this, of course, too. I had two daughters. And as they were getting older, I wanted to be a better mother to them than my mother was to me. So there was that driving force for me as well. And when my daughters would ask me questions, you know, I always I raise them telling, telling them, ask me anything, ask me anything, I'd rather that you asked me because I'll, I'll never get upset with you asked me. And if I don't know the answer, we'll find it together. And being able to do that, there was a lot, of course, a lot of questions, they asked that I'm like, I don't know. And you got to remember back then there was no internet. And so, you know, I couldn't just go Google something, or they couldn't go Google something. So what back then what did we rely on? We relied on older generations saying, well, this is how you have to do it. And this is how you have to do it. And you know, that's the thing, I think when the internet came again, if you think about how the universe has brought us all together through the internet, we are now able to go beyond the borders of our minds, the borders of our minds that were created by generations before us saying this is the way things need to be done. And now we're able to step outside of that known zone and say, Oh, this is how I was taught to do it. But look how Sally does it, or look how Joe does it or, you know, and, wow, there's something in that. And then we might see how someone else does it. And we feel afraid we feel fear, because that's stepping outside of your comfort zone. But when we say okay, I feel the fear. And what this is what most people do, though, they feel the fear, and they go exactly to that numbing agent that you were talking about. Because that's what we're taught to do. All you have to do is watch any movie from the 60s 70s and even 80s. And you know, you see people smoking and drinking, turning into drugs and all that. And you realize that, that that was the norm, that was a way to not feel your feelings. So now we're understanding that it's about feeling your feelings, it's about sitting with it. And I think that most people, they automatically think, Well, why would I want to think about this? It's just what I'm trying to forget. But it's not about forgetting. It's about remembering who you are. You are Love and Light. Remember that?KAT:
Right. And that that is a hard concept that I found that I had trouble with for a while and that a lot of people do. So I love that you shine some light on that if you will, because when we can really feel it. And then we can really allow it to be released. Right? Instead of right, yeah, so all these numbing agents push it down. But when we feel it, and when it's coming up to the felt, it's like that's a signal for me anyways, that it's ready to be released. You know, sometimes, you know, we're not all, we're all at different points, we might not be ready to dive into the grief of some of these really traumatic experiences. And it sounds like without getting into the details of all of it, you've been through quite a lot. I mean, anyone growing up in any type of violence has really. SoNancy:
one of the things that when you study things on law of attraction, and people are talking about law of attraction, but what the law, a lot of people who are talking about law of attraction, don't talk about is how do you attract what you want instead of what you don't want? And the answer is your feelings. So when you can attract positive. That's when you will start when you can feel positive, you will start attracting more positive. But people I think they think oh, okay, well, then I have to feel positive about that new car that I want. And it's not about the thing. It's about the feeling. Right? So when you're in flow with the positive feeling, the other positives will follow. So it's about turning your negative feelings into positive feelings and how do you do that? We start thinking, I call them happy thoughts. So we'll go back to Peter Pan. So much that you know, that that movie taught subliminal And, you know, so they would think happy thoughts so that they could fly. But when we think happy thoughts, we fly in our mind, we fly in our soul in our in our heart chakra. And you know, the heart field, it's the strongest field in your energy field in your body, that toroidal field, and the heart is the organ of the heart is what?Unknown:
starts to grow first as an organ in as a fetus. And that is the strongest part. Most people think our strongest heart is our mind. But it's not, it's our heart. And when you understand that the toroidal field of your heart is the exact same toroidal field of the universe. And this toroidal field of each individual person extends a couple feet outside of your body, all around, you start to understand that what you feel what you Intuit is really feeling you and moving you and guiding you. And when you allow yourself to feel that and if it feels negative look for something that will turn that negative into a positive so that you can start feeling more positive.Unknown:
Right, so you attract?KAT:
Yeah, so it's about how we feel inside the EU, that there are no coincidences, right. So I've never spoken to you before today, and you totally speak my language. And I love it. Like it, you know, you were brought here. I mean, the work that I do from that I've had to do for myself, that I help people most with is to get out of their head and into their heart, for all the reasons you just said, because that's where the magic is. That's where the, the internal power is. And, you know, I wanted to know if you could speak a little bit more about forgiveness because of that. So for myself, I remember working with like an angel healer, you know, more than a decade ago, who taught me about forgiveness work. I had such a hard time with that. And I and I feel like a lot of people do like you said, so. Do you have any thoughts about for people who are so resistant to forgiveness? You know, thoughts, they could change them to even get them to be open to forgiving? You know, like I said, I grew up in a house and my mother used to say, that is unforgivable. And I grew up with feeling that like, not just about myself that these traumas are these atrocities that have happened, that we could we that there was no choice that we could not forgive them. And you spoke about choice earlier. And so if anybody's struggling with the idea of forgiveness, maybe you could give them some, some words of wisdom or ways they can reframe, reframe, begin to reframe their belief about why forgiveness is so powerful, or how they could go even start the process for themselves. Absolutely. ThankNancy:
you for asking that question. Because this is powerful. Forgiveness, I would, I would, I would suggest to you to give yourself permission to look at your definition of the word forgive. What does that mean? Because most of us, especially, I'm going to go back to those of us who were raised in any kind of religious dogma. Forgiveness means you did something bad, you did something wrong. And someone else is going to choose whether or not you're worthy to be forgiven. So if you're not feeling worthy, your emotions are coming from a fear base rather than a love base feeling. So it's your definition of forgiveness. So forgiveness for most people, is that judgment? You know, am I worthy of this? Am I I mean, I was raised in a religious dogma. And, you know, I used to think, Oh, my gosh, I'm, I'm a horrible person. And I can remember that, you know, my father, one of his favorite things to do to me was to stripped me naked in front of our family and beat me with a fiberglass fishing rod. Well, as a child, I used to run to my room afterwards and cry, and ask God for forgiveness. Because I thought, I am so bad. I did something so wrong, why do I keep doing something so wrong? See, I had no way of knowing in my child mind that that was feeding his sex addiction. I mean, how was the child even supposed to know what that was? I have no idea what that was. So my child mine was like, I am so bad, that I keep getting punished. So then, you know, then you start to question this god that you're taught that, that is allowing this and we have people say, you know, why does God allow these things? So, forgiveness, get very clear on your definition of forgiveness because If you can maybe substitute the word forgiveness for clearing, how can I clear this? How can I clear my mind of this fear? How can I let go of the fact that I believe that I have done something wrong? Or that someone else has done something wrong? Because see, we have to remember that all the things we think we did wrong. every other person on the planet is thinking they did something wrong. And we look at another person and we judge them, Well, you did do something wrong. Look at what you did to me look at what you did to me. They have to remember, we're all moving through our own karmic journey. And our soul contracts. You know what, before we even incarnated, our souls got together and said, Oh, my gosh, there's so much love and light here. And I'm going to incarnate and I'm going to experience this and another loving souls that, oh, I will help you with this. So we are all souls walking around in this human form, going through our soul contract, moving through our soul contract. So when you release that person with love and light and say, Oh, I see how you were a part of my journey. And, and now I'm ready to release that I'm ready to let that go. See, again, it's me individually, I am ready to let that go. And then you release that it's a releasing. So it's about getting very clear on your definition of forgive.KAT:
I really like that you brought me back to a lot of childhood things, and the the act of forgiveness. And I remember asking this healer about that. And what she told me was to keep practicing it until I could feel it in my heart. But what you're saying really rang true is like I kept doing the forgiveness work work, because I thought I was unworthy, right? And shifting our definition of that can be really, really powerful. Like I was coming at forgiveness for a different through a different lens. And so what you say about releasing and clearing, it is really empowering. It feels like you know, it's such a different way to look at it, especially for those of us that did grow up with that religious dogma and definition of forgiveness. I, I appreciate you sharing that. You know, you also touched about soul contracts. And I feel like some of our listeners may be acquainted with that. But for others, that term might be a really new thing. So as you know, I wanted to ask this to you said do that your life Sensei, or your clients call you that as a life sensei? How do you explain the concept of soul contracts to people that come to you? If it's totally foreign to them and unfamiliar? Like, could you break it down a little more for us?Nancy:
Well, for someone to even have a conversation around it, they first have to be open to spiritual spiritual consciousness. So again, if someone is very stuck in their religious dogma, it's going to be difficult for them, because their beliefs, our beliefs are our beliefs. So we don't we don't question them. But when it's when we give ourselves permission to say, okay, I've held on to these beliefs for so long. What if this belief is open for debate? Could I could I look at this from a different way, it's a different perception. And I encourage people to ask themselves three questions. What feeling or belief? Can I let go of right now? What feeling or belief will I let go of right now? And what feeling or belief Do I need to hold on to for just a little bit longer, because sometimes the fear of letting go of our feeling or our belief is so fearful, that it actually you know, creates physical manifestations in the body, when we feel it on on such a physical in such a physical way. And the important thing is, it doesn't matter how you answer the questions, it's not like a game or say, Oh, I have to get to number three, your Oh, I have to get to number one, or no, it is what it is. And when you allow yourself to be where you are. And I'm going to be the first one to admit this. I used to hate when my teachers and senseis and coaches would tell me that you are where you are for a reason. Because I would be like, I don't want to be here. I want to be there. I want this over I want to be fixed. I want to be better I want to be and the thing is, is like we are perfect, just the way we are because you can't go from the first grade to the sixth grade, right? There's a lot of stuff in between. You can't go from white belt to black belt. There's a lot of stuff in between. But here's the wonderful thing. And I love this analogy. When you go into the dojo you go in you walk in the door, the very first time as a white belt, and then every time you put your belt on To kick it off and put it on and take it off, you know, you're working the belt, working the belt. So the black belt turns black, with usage and the oils on your hands and it really gets dirty, really so but it's going from white to darker. And then you get all of this knowledge from taking it off and putting it on in that every single time you go in, and you learn something new. And then as the belt gets old and starts to fray, the white threads inside starts to come out. So you go from white to black to white. And that's the analogy that I think about with life because it's always what's inside, what's inside, what's inside. It's not this exterior, that we're trying to show people like, look at me, I'm so wonderful, because there are a lot of people who are saying, Look at me, I'm so wonderful, but they're hurting inside. And they don't know how to stop hurting inside. So they're either hurting others. And, you know, that is the case with my parents, they were hurting inside. And the only thing they knew was to hurt others. But why is that? Well, because that's how they were raised. And that's how their parents were raised and their grandparents. So you see this, this cycle? It's cyclical, because it's generation after generation after generation. So when you really start to see these soul contracts, I'll go back to your question. Depending on your, again, your spiritual consciousness awareness, where you are, even if you're open to it, are you open to the fact that before you were born as this little infant that you were that you your soul was actually on the other side of the veil, what some people may call heaven. However, people want to think of it, but you're, you're in that place of pure love and light there, there's only pure love and light. And it's so difficult for so many people to realize, like, that's where I come from. And when you actually start to sit with that, and you think, Oh my gosh, I am pure love and light, I am part of the oneness. And when you really feel that in your heart center in your heart area in your heart, I just don't want to say chakra because then everyone thinks, oh, I have to go clear my shop or if I can't feel that. And that's that's not what it's about. Right? So it's about feeling that energy in it. Can you feel that? Can you feel that love and light that you are? And when you can, when you get to that point, then you realize that someone who cannot feel that has not gotten to the point where you are yet. So that's where compassion comes? Not judgment, not I hear so many people's like, Oh, I help people who? No, we don't help anyone. Because that's a judgment. And it's, you know, practicing the art of non judgement is so powerful. It's not up to me to look at another person and say, Oh, I see you need help, like you mentioned with your brother that you would like to help him see this information. I am one of five, I am the eldest of five siblings. And I used to feel like oh my gosh, if I could just help my siblings, learn or see what I am learning and seeing. And I also had to get to a point where I realize it's no their journey as their journey. And it's up to me to step back and love them where they are, I can continue to be the shining, loving light. But when we feel like we always have to step in and help someone else. It's because something we feel still we still feel something is missing in us. And for me, my father used to make my sister and I fight were 10 months apart, he used to literally smack us together and make us fight. And they had to be a winner and they had to be a loser, and I never lost a fight. So as a child, you think I'm the winner. This is great. I'm the winner. But also as a child, it never occurred to me what I might be doing to my sister. And when I got to an age when I realized physically, emotionally, spiritually, mentally, what I had done to my sister, you know, that's again, oh, Can you forgive me? Can you forgive me if she cannot? Then do I sit in a space of Oh, until she can forgive me that I'm a bad person for what I did. know it's about loving me and understanding that I made the choice that I made based on the knowledge that I had at the time. And when I love myself for where I am, and I hold love and light for where she is because her soul contract, what she came here to learn to experience and how she is raising the vibrational consciousness of everyone. The collective of the universe that's between her and the oneness, just like mine is between me and the oneness. And when we each individually heal our inner child, now, we emit this love and light. And this, this feeling of loving yourself so much, that it permeates everything that you do, and people can't help but feel thatUnknown:
I mean, and, and you're right, people can feel it, or they feel everything from us if they can feel the love and the light that emits from us. I mean, that's powerful. And, you know, I so appreciate your vulnerability, and sharing about your family and what you've been through and the shift in perspective you've had and how you've just learn to love yourself in such a powerful way. I mean, that's, it's really beautiful, and the work that you're doing in the world to support other people. I mean, you didn't say the word specifically, but I'm starting to get the the understanding of what a life sensei means, you know, that you're guiding people to do this for themselves, you know, and giving them tools and practices to empower themselves to emit that light, like to feel it for themselves and shine it out into the world and admit it, because so many people, like you said, are suffering and I really appreciate your openness today. AndNancy:
thank you. What's important to remember, too, that people it's like Maya Angelou said, People may forget what you say, but they'll never forget how you make them feel. To be more precise, it's how they feel when they're around you. But we can shine our love and our light. But that can also make people afraid, because and then we then again, we question ourselves, right? Oh my gosh, Did I say something wrong? Oh my gosh, did they did I hurt that person's feelings. But everyone is going to react to us the way they need to react for where they are. So shine your love, Shine your light, be the best possible you that you can be and strive to stay in that loving light every single day strive to turn your negatives into positives. But remember, we're all here to do this work. Every single one of us that means walking in non judgement, practicing the art of non judgement. Because it's not up to any one of us to say, Oh, I am where I am. But where are you? And yeah, because we only know our stuff. And that's what's important.Unknown:
I mean, it's that whole journey of Know thyself. Shauna and I are doing a whole new series on that. Because when we know ourselves and can accept things for ourselves, I mean, that's where the magic happens. And, you know, it's interesting that you said, though, that people can be afraid to have when we shine that love and light and house like, that's interesting like that. That really never occurred to me before. And you know, not that we should stop shining it but that others might be fearful of that. And what, why do you think that is? Or how do they notice? Is there a conscious awareness? I guess, is what I'm asking that people are afraid of that or is it justNancy:
happen is what they feel? Because, you know, my mother and I were pretty much a stranger my whole life. And then when I was going through my divorce of 32 years, she called me She lives in Ohio. I live in California. And she said, you know, hey, Nancy, is it true? What's happening? And I'm thinking, Oh, my gosh, everything going through now I gotta know, I got to deal with you. What the heck is this? What's going on? But she started paying attention to what I was doing. And she wanted to somehow be part of my life, which is how, anyway, that so that was like the basis of my first two books, basically. But the thing is, is that she would say to me over and over, Nancy, when you were little, you used to say things that used to scare the hell out of me. She said, I never understood it, she said, but I used to try screaming at you. And that didn't work. And when that didn't work, I tried beating it out of you. And when that didn't work, I just ignored you. And I used to think to myself, what the heck could I have done that would scare you so much. Now think of this as a little five year old child or two year old child or whatever. What could I possibly have been doing as a child to scare her so much that she would physically and verbally and mentally abused me with so much hate coming from her, so you have to understand it? About opposites, right? Everything has a yin and a yang. So if I was a very loving giving wonderful child, but she wasn't feeling that in herself, then she was resisting my love in light. And what do we do is something we resist? We try to numb out we try to fight it, we try to run away from it. Because anything we fear, we fight. Look at any science fiction movie, ooh, the blob is coming like, well, let's get the army Let's shoot it. No one ever says, Let's understand it. Right. And so, of course, my mother was never taught to understand this child, this love and this light that's in your in your, in your mitts. So if her natural reaction was to fight it, then my understanding of how the world works through this religious dogma of I must be horrible. I must be horrible. I must be horrible. I need God to forgive me. Oh my god, I'm gonna die and go to hell and burn in hell forever. And fire in Lima, horrible and horrible. And then we carry that with us into our adult life. And so many adults can't figure out like, why am I walking around making all of these bad choices and, and all of these rotten people are coming into my life and everything it's like, go back to your child self heal your child self. And your adult self will shine.KAT:
Like that. I think you almost answered that. Next question, I was gonna ask you, do you? What does it take for someone to go back to their child self? Like, do they? Can they do it on their own? Do they need a guide? Do they need support? Like, what? What are your thoughts around that?Nancy:
All you need to do is feel your feelings. Allow yourself to feel your feelings. So give yourself permission to sit in a room by yourself where you're not going to be interrupted by any one phone, nothing. And stop and think about all the things that you're mad at or holding against someone else. Or, oh, this person did this to me, and actually feel it. So you have to relive it. And this is again, where people want to numb out they want to resist it. They don't want to do that. Or they think oh, I need a shaman to guide me through it and take me back to the womb or whatever. And I've done that I've had worked with hypnotherapist, it's like, let's take you back to the womb, let's take you back to all those things. It wasn't until my teacher started teaching me feel your feelings. Because I could share the story. But by God, I did not want to talk about the feelings. I didn't want to feel the feelings. So I wanted to be strong. I wanted to be that badass, you know, person who could kick ass and take names. And I wanted to talk from that vibration, rather than my feeling nature. So in my bio, when I said I lost everything, and then I found myself. That's what that means. It's like, okay, I had to let go of that. Chick acid, take names, vibration, and feel through it. And, you know, it's not like you're going to sit down one time and feel through all the crap because we do feel it, we feel it. And then as soon as we feel it, we talk about it. That's our story, right? We tell other people like, Ah, man, my mom was I remember my dad didn't remember. And then we think that that's feeling that's not feeling that that's talking about it. And that's emotion coming up. But it's not allowing yourself to actually get to the feeling. What am I? What How did that make me feel? Because of course, you know what our ego mind says, Well, how do you think that makes you feel stupid? You know? Why are you asking a question? That's a stupid question, you know, makes you feel crappy. Go shopping, buy some clothes, you'll feel better buy some shoes, you'll feel better, you know? And so it's when you sit and you say, okay, yes, I remember being beaten with that fiberglass fishing rod and I'm naked in front of my family. And I'm sitting there. I'm standing there. No one's helping me. No one's saving me. No one's protecting me. Oh, so I feel vulnerable. I feel like no one's ever gonna save me. I feel degraded. I What? See and then feel those feelings. What does that feel like? And when you feel that and you release it now, that's what your soul is giving you the opportunity to do and it's like every entity in the heavens is clapping and partying like purple and saying you did it. Good job. Good job. And you release it. You let it go. And oh my gosh, you feel that heart center. Opening An opening up and opening up and the more you feel through it and let it go, the more you feel that heart center opening up and connecting with the oneness and love of God. It's just it doesn't come back. It doesn't doesn't come back?KAT:
Well, that was my question. So when we feel it, and we feel it, then we have to release it. A lot of people ask like, Well, how do I release it? Like, what? Is it just a decision? Is it a choice instead of belief? Like, because those feelings can be scary, especially when we were feeling them for the first time, right? Or we're really allowing ourselves to feel them. So how does somebody release it so that it is gone? Is there?Nancy:
Well, I think, I don't really think this, this is something that people can do by themselves. So here's, here's the thing. We think we want to do it by ourselves in private in a locked room. Because we don't want to talk about the horse, we don't want to talk about what we're feeling, we don't want someone else to know, Oh, my gosh, I can't let someone know that that's what I'm thinking or, or you know, that I don't know that I did this really horrible thing, or that I'm thinking this really horrible thing. So we tried to do it ourselves again. But again, that's, that's, I'll just use myself for an example. Because I think it takes the emotion off of other, you know, away from others when I can talk about it myself. So I was raised in the house of secrets. Of course, you don't talk about, of course, I'm raising Italian household to you don't talk about the family business with anybody outside the family. And then if you even think about talking about it with somebody inside the family, just stuff it Don't say anything, keep your mouth shut. So you know, it's that, okay, I can't, I can't go talk about this with someone, Oh, my gosh, I remember the very first therapist that I ever worked with, after an hour, our very first hour of therapy together, she stopped and she looked at me and she said, Okay. She said, You know, I work with a lot of families, and I work with a lot of the trauma. She's like, you're just so over the top, I just really need to go away and think about this before I can have another session with you. And I work and I walked away thinking. So if you go to therapy, and you force your therapist into therapy, because of what you shared, does that make you a bad person? So again, you know, but again, see that it was a learning thing. It was like, learning the strength, the inner strength that I have. And I'm like, so for me being the oldest of five and taking care of everybody. It's like that one more thing like, Oh, so if I had continued to stay with that therapist, then I would have been continually taking care of her. But my journey with teaching me, Nancy, it's time to open up, it's time to share your story. It's time to release all of this. So find someone who's strong enough that you can release it to?KAT:
Because we need to be witnessed sometimes. Right? Yeah, that releasing? Yeah, well,Nancy:
I don't need it. I don't know, witnessed so much. But it's about saying it. And then knowing that you're not being judged, because you said it. Hmm. You know, when I when I wrote my first book, my sister hasn't spoken to me since that book was published, because she was so mortified that I shared things about our life. And, you know, I talked to my coach, and I'm like, Do I have a right to share this don't have a right to put this out there. And she's like, absolutely, this is your story. But the what if, what is the thing that I thought about the most is about protecting others? Well, what if others, but no, take it back to you? What are what is the reason that you're now if I'm doing it to hurt others, that's a completely different story. But I was doing it as a releasing for me. And then the second book that I did, it was a collaboration with my mother, if you can believe it on healing the inner child. So you see, it's like, as you pull back these layers, and you work with someone to release and feel through it, and someone else who's trained, can listen to your story that I'm saying that in air quotes, your story, but they will feel your story, rather than hear your story. And what they feel is what they will encourage you to bring out instead of the words that you've been using.KAT:
I love that. It makes me think of a therapist that I work with that Paul I felt from her was judgment. And that when like you talked about your first therapist, when we take that step to even go to therapy, if we really feel intuitively that it's not the right therapist. I feel like what you're saying Don't give up on the therapy, just find a different therapist is though,Nancy:
and you have to think about it too is like when people go into therapy, it's like, oh, I've got medical insurance. And so it's going to cover. So my co payment is going to be $25. But then if you talk to someone who, who is like, a life coach and or license a, or someone who's doing that type of inner work, and they want to charge you way more than that, and you're like, well, I can't afford you. So, you know, again, it's like, what are you willing to invest in yourself? If you feel like you're a $25? An hour person? Okay, then that's what you need at this time at this at this moment. But if you feel that you are worthy of the answers you're seeking, now, you're going to not let anything stop you, you're going to say, Okay, I'm going to find a way, because I'm tired of dealing with this.KAT:
Right? Because what is it costing you to not do that inner work and focus on the inner game? When you know, you want to? I mean, not everybody's ready at, but, you know, what is it costing when you feel like you're ready? And you're not? So, Nancy, we've been talking for a while, and I feel like I could ask you questions all day. But what would you say to someone then, who found themselves like, maybe a little bit ready that they were at a crossroads, and they were, you know, on the brink of stepping to the other side? Or shifting their mindset, like, what would you say to them?Nancy:
Um, I would say that, if they're ready, they know they're ready. And, you know, it's not about trying to talk someone into, okay, you need to work with me, I would say to someone, feel, feel what you want? Are you ready? Do you feel it? If the pain of where you are is greater than the fear of what you want to be do or have, then you're ready. Because when you're ready to let go of the pain, you know, you will find an answer. So don't let someone talk you into Oh, you need my X, you need my formula, you need my program, you need my plan? No. All you need is to be in alignment with who you are. Find someone who will guide you on that path, find someone who already has walked that path and knows that you have the power to be there. However, your journey, your way is going to take you. So it's not about because my way. I'm not saying like oh, well, then you got to go start with 13 years of martial arts. Let's go back to that. No, no, no, no, no. You know, it's about where are you right now? Because nobody has to go through the years and years and years of what I went through. And that's one of the beautiful things about the work that I do. It's like I've already done.Unknown:
It is like, good. LetNancy:
me give you the fast track to this.Unknown:
the fast track doesn't mean that you don't have to do the work. I have clients who say, you know, like when we get into session, okay, did you do this work, you know, that we talked about last last session? Well, no, because XYZ will they have a million excuses? See, it's not up to me to say, well, you're wrong, because you didn't do that. It's like, okay, so would you say you're resisting?Unknown:
No, no, no,Nancy:
you don't understand my dog died. My grandmother went into the hospital and baby bit, okay. Okay. Okay. So see, it's about just being where you are, and saying, Okay, what is it that you're not ready to look at yet? Because we will come up with a gazillion excuses, we will attract a million experiences, to give us a valid excuse not to deal with what is being presented to us. And the choice is always ours Always, always, like the thought about choices.KAT:
I love that you brought it back to that I was thinking about what could be what were some of the takeaways from this conversation. And I love that you brought it back to choice because everything comes down to choice no matter what, what we've been through, or what we're thinking. So thank you so much for that. I so appreciate you being here. There were so many like gems and nuggets and takeaways, I hope that our listeners had some one of mine was what you said earlier on that being afraid is unnecessary. Like that is powerful. And that is something that I personally have been or used to struggle with. I've changed the language around that but sitting with and moving more into that trusting and I love that you brought up about part and that that is really the strongest place of vibration and that love, love is healing. Just so many takeaways and what you just shared and I love that you talked about soul contracts. That's something I'm diving into more and you know that 2020 kind of like love leveled the playing field for a lot of us in an emotional way. So, thank you so much for all your wisdom. I wanted to ask you maybe right before we wrap up, you have a couple of books and I know you reference them. What are the titles of those books? If people are looking for them?Nancy:
Well, all the books can all my books can be found on my website, the best way to find them is mastering your beliefs calm. If you go there, everything is right there. The first book is chocolate, or vanilla life is all about choices. Nice. The second book, published in 2015, healing the child within life is all about choices. And the third book, divorced because giving up the letting go does not mean giving up. And recently, within the last two weeks, I finished creating the audio book of book two healing the child within that's also available on my website. And for the price of a book, you get a 42 page journal, the book being read to you so much guidance, so much wisdom, five, there's just so much information in this. And every year on my birthday since I was turned 50. I've always looked at what can I give back? What can I give back? What can I give back. And this year, I felt guided to create an audio book of healing the child within because I think people are ready. They're ready for this information. They're ready to understand where the heck do my beliefs come from? Why do I believe what I believe? Why do I make the choices that I make? And I go through using my story? My mother's story, she collaborated with me on this, and so many exercises. This is a way for people who are searching for answers to understand why you're asking the questions. No, there's also there's also free downloads in there too. And what a really powerful, free download is how to turn your negatives into positives, and four easy steps. So that might be someone, something that someone might wantKAT:
to utilize as well. That's awesome. I'm glad that you you shared that because that looks really powerful. And to start breaking it down easily. To get into this work is awesome. So I so appreciate you being here. And maybe we should have you back again to you know, break some of this down more. But um, to our listeners, if you liked what you heard today or got something out of the conversation, you can show some love for our guests by following their social media page, tag them on a quote that stood out for you, whatever feels best for you. The links will be in the show notes. And to support this podcast, you can leave a rating and review on iTunes and share this with your friends or find us on Instagram at Quantum shift.us. Or if you're curious about how to navigate the difficult roads. As your own personal journey unfolds. You can join us at the Quantum shift.us and reach out to Shauna or cat for a free conversation about what your options are. I am cat Moulton, a transformational guy walking with you on your journey of self actualization. Until next time, may you love fully love like you've never been hurt before, and be the leader that you were born to be. Thank you for being with us today.